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"Particularly for the hunting class of Masai males ... they avoided all vegetable food. They prided themselves in never eating anything but blood, meat and fat." "The Lakota, Dakota and Nakota nations were nomadic peoples who .... had very little fruit and vegetables available ... and the warrior group of males in particular prided themselves in not eating "women's food" - gathered plants.


Pemmican from www.firstpeoplesofcanada.com

Exclusive meat diets among hunter-gatherers
Can humans survive on a diet without any plant-food at all - zero vegetables, fruits or nuts? And how healthy would such a diet be?
Yes, it may have been quite common during hunter-gatherer times.
Even when we look at recent hunter-gatherers, there are examples of such people from different parts of the world, who were in excellent health on such diets. In this article, there are examples from tropical Africa, temperate North America, and Arctic parts of the American continent.
The complete interview with Steve Phinney from 2010, an extract of which follows below, can be read here.

Extract from
Steve Phinney interview:
Pemmican and Indigenous Diets

Tuesday, March 23, 2010

The Atkins diet has been the bulls-eye for critics.  People say it's unbalanced, it has too much fat, so it must be dangerous.  But the thing that has really interested me about low carb diets has been to go back and look at human history.  Many of our ancestors before the advent of agriculture — whether agriculture came to us 10,000 years ago, or here among the Native Americans 150 years ago in this turf right here – ate a low carb diet.   
Our ancestors were called hunter-gatherers and there are a lot of assumptions that they ate a lot of fruit and vegetables, and that's how they balanced their diet.  But it appears in many places (for example here where the buffalo roamed) that those cultures evolved around highly successful hunting skills, with a minimization of and in some cases a complete avoidance of gathering.  The natives here on the Great Plains ate mostly buffalo and in many cases nothing but the buffalo and had developed highly evolved cultures around their hunting and food preservation practices.

How did they do it, and were they miserable, stunted, unhealthy   sickly people.  Or had they found a way to be healthy on a low carbohydrate diet?

George Catlin published this book (Letters and Notes on the Manners, Customs, and Conditions of the North American Indians) initially in 1844.  Now Catlin was not an author.  He was a painter.  He came West with his brushes and sketch pads and pencils, traveling up the Missouri to its headwaters and then down as far south as Texas.  Between 1830 and 1836, he lived among native peoples who had little or no contact with European people.      He lived among those people, painted them, and wrote a series of lengthy letters describing his experiences.  He did 257 paintings and pencil drawings that survive to this day.  Women, children, villages, country scenes, burial practices.  It's a rich and original history of native peoples.   And what caught my mind, I was looking for details about the diets but didn't find a lot of quantitative detail.  He just seems to assume that everybody understood what these people ate.  But he sometimes would live for a year or more among the natives without re-supply on meat and fat and virtually no carbohydrate.  He lived off the land as they lived off the land.

If he was eating buffalo, he must have been eating a lot of protein.

He was eating fish, quail, buffalo.  We assume that he ate a lot of protein.  In actuality, it appears that what the native people did is to time their hunts, and select the animals they hunted for very high levels of body fat.  If you killed a buffalo in the fall or early winter, you killed an animal with a lot of body fat.  By the way, they generally hunted in small groups.  You might have 15-30 people in a hunting party.  An adult cow would weigh around 1,000 pounds.  A bull would weigh between 2,000 and 2,500 pounds.  Now, suppose it's, say, October?  And the daytime temperatures are way above freezing?  What do you do with 1,500 pounds of buffalo, and there are only 15 of you?

Once they killed the buffalo they would pitch their tent and go to work on the carcass.  They would skin the carcass and they would work with the skin.  They would cut the meat and dry most of it, and they would cut away and save the fat.      Within 2 or three days they would have pretty much dealt with the whole carcass.  They would take the fat and cook it into liquid fat.  They would sew sacks out of part of the hide with the hair on the outside and the rawhide skin on the inside, and they would stuff pounded dried meat into the sacks, and then they would take hot buffalo fat and pour it in to fill in all the air spaces around the meat.  Pouring it in hot and then sewing the sack closed with no air killed any bacteria, so when it was cooled, you'd have a solid block of sterilized meat and fat.  And that was called pemmican.

Pemmican once it was produced in that way could be transported and stored anywhere from six months to five years.  Depending on how the pemmican was prepared and when the buffalo was harvested.

So, for a week after the successful hunt, they and their dogs would be eating from the carcass in that first week. Eating the fresh meat, eating the marrow from the bones, which was both a rich source of calcium and minerals as well as fat.  Then they'd pack up and leave with maybe 150 pounds of pemmican.  And a human could live on one pound of pemmican per day, as a sustenance food

Basically what they could do, if they killed one buffalo per month, a band of 15 people to 30 people could live on that, carrying the stored food and eating the stored food as they traveled.  And if they were very successful and killed 10 buffalo in one month, they would be burdened with 1,000 pounds of food.  But that thousand pounds of high energy food could then be used to feed them for a hundred days.

If this is all well-known, what about this made you want to dig into it more closely?

If you look deep in the nutrition literature, Pemmican as a storage food during periods of poor hunting was well known.  Pemmican was also used as the primary food for the people who transported furs for the Canadian Northwest Company.  If you had people whose job was to paddle canoes full of fur for a thousand miles, you didn't want them to spend all their time hunting and fishing for food.   So the Northwest Company purchased pemmican made by the native people of the upper Midwest, the Lakota and Chippewa nations, that was their main source of food, and used it to power their fur transport operation through the Great Lakes and down the St. Lawrence.

Again, that history is all well known.  But what I was looking for was the composition of this dietary strategy. When people chose the ingredients for this type of food, how much was meat and how much fat.  And actually, it appears that it has many more calories from fat than it does from protein.  So what they chose to eat was a moderate protein, high fat diet.

What are those ratios?

Back in the day, no one did calorie measurements of those indigenous fools.  That said, my estimates, based on the descriptions of how it was made, are 20% to 25% of energy from protein and 75% to 80% as fat.

People of course lived on this with vegetables and salad supplemented, to get their vitamin C, their carbohydrates.  Surely they added other things to this diet?

That has always been the tacit assumption that "hunter gatherers" did that.  But the accounts of Catlin and others is that different groups of indigenous people had different dietary practices.  But some of these indigenous people existed essentially as pure hunters.  The Lakota, Dakota and Nakota nations were nomadic peoples who did not farm, they lived on the prairie, and they had very little fruit and vegetables available for most of the annual cycle of the year, and the warrior group of males in particular prided themselves in not eating "women's food", by which might be meant gathered plants.  The other thing that's been said about pemmican is that the Natives always put dried berries in pemmican.  But the best, longest lasting pemmican was made in the late fall, or early winter, when berries were not readily available.  It stands to reason that berries were put in pemmican to please the European customers who were buying it from them.  So they would stick in some of the things the Europeans wanted to make it taste less austere, like berries and oatmeal.   However, for the natives, the reason why pemmican was made free of vegetable matter was to facilitate long-term storage.   If you made it right, you could store it for a year, or up to five years.   Which means these people could carry, with 100 pounds of food and ten people in their party, they could carry enough food to get through a couple of weeks with no hunting at all.  You did not want to open a bag of pemmican and find out it was spoiled, when you needed it, so they kept it pure.  But if they wanted to please the European customers who were buying it from them, they would stick in things the Europeans wanted.

You're describing some people who were not Esquimos.  They were not Inuit. We know this diet is similar to the ones the Inuit used.  There have been many arguments among nutritionists who say that The Inuit are genetically special and only they can eat that kind of a high fat diet, and now you're saying the Native Americans through the Plains area did the same thing.

That's correct.  And not just Native Americans on the Great Plains.  I have also been doing a research project with Dr. Jay Wortman in British Columbia.   Our observation is that First Nations people who lived along the Pacific Coast from Vancouver all the way north through the Panhandle of Alaska, we find they, again, ate a diet that was probably 25% of energy from protein and upwards to 75% from fat.  Up there, again, the berries were only seasonal, and maybe five percent of energy, averaged over the whole year, came from carbohydrate.

And it doesn't end there.  There was an elegant study in the area that is now Kenya, done by a two British scientists; a physician named Orr and a surgeon named Gilks.     They studied people who lived in the plateau area of inner Kenya.  They studied the K'Kuyu who farmed and ate a mostly vegetarian diet and relatively low protein diet, and they compared them to people nearby–the Masai, the traditional herders who raised cattle and hunted.  People looking through old copies of National Geographic have seen picture of the Masai, many of whom were quite tall.  Some of the males were 7 feet tall.  Gilks and Orr literally measured all the people, literally measured them, with measuring tape.  They measured their health status and dental status.  They found the average Masai male was six inches taller than a K'Kuyu male.  And the average Masai female was three or four inches taller than the average K'Kuyu female.  And whereas the Masai males and females had most of their natural teeth, and the K'Kuyu by the time they were in the mid 20s and early 30s had lost something approaching half of their teeth.

What were the Masai eating and what were the K'kuyu eating?

The K'Kuyu were raising vegetables including millet and tubers, for carbohydrate, and some small amount of protein from small animals they hunted, whereas the Masai kept beef cattle and sheep, and they drank milk, they ate meat, and this might seem unpleasant for people not initiated to it, but they drank blood.  When they killed an animal they kept the blood or they would prick a vein from a cow and collect a cup of blood and use that as a condiment in their diet.  Blood sounds unpleasant but it's an excellent source of iron, and a good source of protein and other trace minerals.

Particularly for the hunting class of Masai males, the ones who hunted for food and protected the cattle from lions and other predators, it was a cultural practice that they avoided all vegetable food.  They prided themselves in never eating anything but blood, meat and fat.  Based on the descriptions of Orr and Gilks, they were eating . . . About 30% protein and 65% fat.

Is there sugar in milk, is there sugar in blood?

In all the blood circulating in my body there's about one teaspoon of sugar.  Blood is not a rich source of sugar.  We talk about blood sugar.  Actually, unless you're a diabetic, the body is very quick about getting sugar out of our blood.  That's true for all mammals. And . . . Yes there's sugar in milk.  Depending on the breed of the cow, It maybe represents about a third of the energy in milk.     But it's not table sugar.  It's lactose.  It's a natural form of sugar.  All mammalian milk contains lactose and it's metabolized somewhat differently than table sugar.

Well, Steve Phinney, in the United States it's generally well-recognized that whole milk is not very good for people and should be taken down to skim.  Is that what the Masai did to make their milk more healthy?

No, they actually treasured the fat in the milk, and the richer the cream the more treasured it was.

Then let's stop for a moment and look at what was wrong with the Masai.  Surely they had health problems.  You described a diet for the Masai and Native Americans in the plains . . . They did not have Vitamin C, because they weren't eating fruit or berries, so they had scurvy?

That was the hypothesis back in the 1920s after Vitamin C was discovered, and when it was found that Vitamin C was predominately found in fruits and vegetables.   At that time, an Arctic Explorer named Vilhjalmur Stefansson, lived among the Inuit. He was called a liar for claiming he could stay healthy on a diet of just meat and fat.   To salvage his reputation, he allowed himself to be locked up in Belleview Hospital in New York City for most of the calendar year of 1928.  Actually, he was only locked up for three months and then monitored closely when he went out.  For that whole year he ate a diet consisting of meat and fat which was about 15% protein and 85% fat, a very high fat diet with no fruits and vegetables, no vitamin pills, and he did not develop scurvy.

Did he have Native American Blood?  Did he have some special ability to follow this strange diet?

His name, Stefansson, stemmed from his parents, who emigrated from Iceland.  He was of pure Icelandic genetic origin.  Maybe the Icelandic people who came from Scandinavia are different from other European people, but we don't think so.

But to address this question, I took a group of European-origin, young, healthy bicycle racers and put them on an Inuit diet for a little over a month.  Now the Inuit diet I used was not seal blubber and whale meat, but instead based on market foods we could find in Boston back in the 1970s.  We had them eat that diet for a month.  We were interested, not in whether they would get scurvy but whether they could function well, physically, on a very low carbohydrate diet.  These were highly trained bike racers in the off season, so they weren't racing.  They were just trying to maintain their fitness.  They were riding their bikes between 100 and 200 miles a week.  The first week on the low carb diet, they kind of struggled on maintaining their training regimen, but after that, they said they their ability to training was the same as before cutting out the carbs.   And after four weeks of adapting to the low carbohydrate diet, when we tested them in the performance laboratory, there was no reduction in either peak power or their ability to do relatively high intensity exercise.

Steve Phinney, did you perhaps pick bicycle racers who had more Native American blood in them so they genetically were more able to adapt to this kind of eating?

Just in terms of their surnames . . . A couple of them had English origin surnames, one was Estonian, one had a German surname, and one was pretty pure Greek heritage.  So all European but a fairly wide variety.

But let me take this back full circle.  We don't know for sure what role Vitamin C plays in a diet that's low in carbohydrates.  We know Vitamin C counters what we call oxidative stress, oxygen free radicals, and in a recent group of studies published by Jeff Volek at the University of Connecticut, he has demonstrated that when he takes people on a mixed diet and switches them to a low carbohydrate diet, their level of oxidative stress and inflammation goes down.  Perhaps people still need Vitamin C on a low carb diet, but they just need less of it because they have less oxidative stress.  So perhaps there's enough when you eat meat, because fresh meat does contain some Vitamin C.  Not a lot, maybe a few milligrams.  But maybe you don't need 50 milligrams a day when you're on low carb.  Maybe you only need five or ten.  That's low enough, you can get it from a diet including fresh meat that doesn't contain fruits and vegetables.

When you say fresh meat, do you mean meat that's been freshly killed and then you roast it, or do you mean steak tartare, that is raw meat?

Well, most of us don't overcook our meat, and when pemmican is made, it's not cooked, it's air dried.  And then hot fat is added only briefly at the end of the process, and we don't know how much of the anti-scorbutic value, that is Vitamin C like material, persists when it's made that way.  It's not an answered question.  But the weight of evidence at this point is that scurvy is not a problem for people who eat a hunter's diet, when that hunter's diet is based on what people ate for thousands of years or perhaps hundreds of thousands of years.

Skipping a section. To read it - and listen to the original audio-recording - go here: Steve Phinney on Pemmican and Indigenous Diets at www.meandmydiabetes.com/

Well, Steve Phinney, if somebody wanted to try this kind of diet, this very extreme diet to most people's point of view, are you saying it wouldn't be so good to eat this way five days a week.  And then have a weekend of fun and celebration with ice cream and pizza?


Absolutely do that?

Absolutely not

All the evidence from other people's studies and from my own research is that the human body loves consistency and does not like inconsistency.  When you started out this interview, you mentioned we have a book coming out.  It's a revised version of the Atkins diet.     He's not here to write this, so along with myself we've recruited two other excellent medical scientists

With all due respect to Dr. Atkins, the amount of science expertise that you and Dr. Westman and Dr. Volek have is actually deeper than Dr. Atkins.

That's correct.  Science.  Modern science.  And we think we've brought current medical science.  But what Dr. Atkins brought to the diet was, in a way, similar to what a Lakota or Kiowa grandmother brought to this. 
Dr. Atkins treated thousands of patients on this diet.    And he had, I think, an excellent empiric body of observation.  And he basically evolved a diet that worked well for the purposes of his time, which was to help people relatively easily and healthfully lose weight.
What we've done with The New Atkins for the New You is move beyond there.   I've brought some key learning from indigenous diets.  And the use and selection of fats.  Drs. Volek and Westman have added their clinical and research expertise, particularly concerning metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure.  And it is a diet that is sustainable, not for a few weeks or a few months, but for decades, to allow people to remain healthy and functional.



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If you are sick, read:
How Diseases are Cured
The Time-factor in Recovery
How Important is Diagnosis?
How to Live 100 Years
What Symptoms to Expect when Improving Your Diet
My First Water Fast

If you have a hard time changing habits, read:
Causes of Addiction to Habits
The Power of Habit Explained
How to Overcome Temptations

If you are suffering from depression or low energy, read:
Energy, Feeling and Thought
Energy in the Body

If you are trying to overcome an addiction, read:
Causes of Addiction to Habits
The Power of Habit Explained
How to Overcome Temptations
Energy, Feeling and Thought

If you are trying to lose weight, read:
(about low-carb + raw diets as the correct strategy:)

The High-Carbohydrate Diet and Related Health Problems
Insulin's Metabolic Effects (Why eat less carbohydrates?)
How much weight-loss on raw juices vs. fasting?
Preventing Cellulite - the Diet Solution
(about overcoming the physical 'sugar' craving:)
Causes of Addiction to Habits
What Symptoms to Expect when Improving Your Diet
(about the emotional battle:)
Attentive Eating
How to Overcome Temptations
Energy, Feeling and Thought

If you don't want to change your diet, but still become healthier, read:
Sequential Eating
How to Live 100 Years
Energy, Feeling and Thought
Energy in the Body

If you are looking for the ultimate vegetarian diet,
- or have been damaged by veganism - read:

With Three Generations of Vegetarian Hygienists
In Search of the Ultimate Vegetarian Diet
Fruit - Friend or Foe?
The Ideal 100% Raw Diet
Natural Hygiene Vegetarian Diet & Food Plan
Sequential Eating
What Symptoms to Expect when Improving Your Diet

If you are looking for a non-vegetarian diet that will give superior health:
Primitive Man - His Diet and Health
The High-Carbohydrate Diet and Related Health Problems
Insulin's Metabolic Effects (Why eat less carbohydrates?)
New Concepts in Nutrition, Health and Rapid Healing of Illness
Primitive Diet Example
Sequential Eating
What Symptoms to Expect when Improving Your Diet

If you expect or have children, read:
Birth Defects can be Avoided!
What You do when You Vaccinate
How Diseases are Cured

If you want a better sex-life, read:
Energy-Karezza - fascinating & powerful sex
Enjoying Superior Sex Your Entire Life - radio interview
Energy-Karezza book excerpt

If you are new to Natural Hygiene, read:
How Diseases are Cured
The Time-factor in Recovery
How Important is Diagnosis?
My First Water Fast
New Concepts in Nutrition, Health and Rapid Healing of Illness

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Read the full article here, and find many other interesting articles about optimal diet at www.meandmydiabetes.com.

Also read Drs. Eades:  High-Carbohydrate Problems - "For 700,000 years humans ate a diet of mainly meat, fat, nuts, and berries. Eight thousand years ago we learned to farm, and our health declined."

Also read:  Primitive Diet Example - interview with Aajonus Vonderplanitz. "After 12 years eating raw meat and never having had any more than a little diarrhea that might have been associated with it, I learned to relax and not fear raw foodborne bacteria and parasites. "

Also read:  How Important is Diagnosis? - "Even if a person has a baffling, rare disease and the diagnosis is unknown, if he or she eats properly, or fasts if necessary in addition, the body will surely heal itself, as long as sufficient vitality is present."

Don't miss this free download: - REMARKABLE RECOVERIES FROM SEVERE HEALTH PROBLEMS - Dr. Bass' booklet presenting how raw foods and juices have been used clinically in medical institutions for over 100 years to help patients recover from cancer and other diseases, even to improve intelligence.

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